First announced in 2007, the FPS/RPG hybrid has resurfaced (http://360fahrenheit.com/fahrenh1_forum1/index.php?topic=244.msg56370#msg56370), and is now slated for a 2011(?) release for Xbox 360, PS3, and PC.
2007 Announcement Trailer
2011
Re-Announcement Trailer
Sure i've seen that second vid somewhere before :)
I remember being psyched for this way back when.
Goes to show what good editing can do for a trailer:
Having it "fixed" chornologically, seems to lose a lot of the impact...
Quote from: zerosum on February 18, 2011, 03:54:49 AM
Goes to show what good editing can do for a trailer:
Having it "fixed" chornologically, seems to lose a lot of the impact...
Agreed. It's still a very cool suspensful trailer, but without the 'reveal' of the girl being a zombie ... and being their daughter, it does lose a lot of the impact.
It also raises a very important question ...
Why the hell was a 10-year-old girl running around a resort by herself in the first place?!? 0min 47sec it's clear the parents are alone in the room together while the girl is left to wander the island alone. Seriously ... that's more disturbing to me than the zombies.
Instantly reminds me of this Nas classic
But then anything that is backwards does! :)
Dead Island Is a Decade's Worth of Zombie Games in One (http://uk.kotaku.com/5775758/dead-island-is-a-decades-worth-of-zombie-games-in-one?skyline=true&s=i)
Quote from: nCogNeato on February 18, 2011, 04:56:15 PM
It also raises a very important question ...
Why the hell was a 10-year-old girl running around a resort by herself in the first place?!? 0min 47sec it's clear the parents are alone in the room together while the girl is left to wander the island alone. Seriously ... that's more disturbing to me than the zombies.
Have we learned nothing from maddie???
I'm sure she'll find somewhere good to hide, just like Mute .... that ended well didn't it ?
Mostly they come at night ..... mostly!
"Newt. My name's Newt. Nobody calls me Rebecca, except my brother"
(.. Nobody calls me Mute, except my failed.)
Quote from: nCogNeato on February 18, 2011, 04:56:15 PM
Why the hell was a 10-year-old girl running around a resort by herself in the first place?!? 0min 47sec it's clear the parents are alone in the room together while the girl is left to wander the island alone. Seriously ... that's more disturbing to me than the zombies.
If you look closely, as I have, the parents both have brown hair, while the kid is a full on blonde. Conclusion? The kid is the result of an affair, and the father secretly hates her. That is why he barricades her out of the room, and then throws her out of a window as soon as she gets in.
Quote from: Handshakes on March 07, 2011, 01:50:25 AM
Quote from: nCogNeato on February 18, 2011, 04:56:15 PM
Why the hell was a 10-year-old girl running around a resort by herself in the first place?!? 0min 47sec it's clear the parents are alone in the room together while the girl is left to wander the island alone. Seriously ... that's more disturbing to me than the zombies.
If you look closely, as I have, the parents both have brown hair, while the kid is a full on blonde. Conclusion? The kid is the result of an affair, and the father secretly hates her. That is why he barricades her out of the room, and then throws her out of a window as soon as she gets in.
And he unleashed the zombie hordes as a means of disguising the fact he wanted to get shot of his daughter, makes sense!
lmao
you're all going to hell. :D
Well at least its warm there!!!
Screenshots:
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Surferzombies lulz
that knee length skirt musn't be very practical for zombie killing ...
I'd like to know what's up with that electro-charged machete...
Quote from: zerosum on March 10, 2011, 08:59:53 PM
I'd like to know what's up with that electro-charged machete...
They need more practical weapons. Like drill + bucket = drillbucket.
Quote from: Handshakes on March 10, 2011, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: zerosum on March 10, 2011, 08:59:53 PM
I'd like to know what's up with that electro-charged machete...
They need more practical weapons. Like drill + bucket = drillbucket.
Extra points for "druckets"!!
Quote from: Handshakes on March 10, 2011, 10:27:35 PM
Quote from: zerosum on March 10, 2011, 08:59:53 PM
I'd like to know what's up with that electro-charged machete...
They need more practical weapons. Like drill + bucket = drillbucket.
This needs to be in a game !! If only ......
Dead Island's Logo Too Grisly For America's Ratings Board
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Much hyped zombie game Dead Island has gotten the attention of the ESRB for its logo of all things. Hanging zombies are a no-no, it seems, as the game's logo has been "censored" to remove that dangling corpse. That change affects the game's box art in North America only, reports IGN (http://pc.ign.com/articles/115/1156850p1.html).
I'm not particularly surprised that a hanging picture would get a no-go, but I'm still a bit embarrassed at all the political correctness none the less.
If for no other reason, I'm buying this game for zombies in hawaiian shirts. :D
I wonder if there's a zombie surf competition? I smell mini-game! ;D
;D
Quote from: zerosum on May 17, 2011, 09:10:15 PM
I wonder if there's a zombie surf competition? I smell mini-game! ;D
Zombie swim suit competition
Quote from: ASYLUM NINJA on May 22, 2011, 04:35:20 PM
Quote from: zerosum on May 17, 2011, 09:10:15 PM
I wonder if there's a zombie surf competition? I smell mini-game! ;D
Zombie swim suit competition
lol
I'd be like those Dead or Alive Volleyball games. Undead not Alive Volleyball?
I like it. Left 4 Dead meets Far Cry 2.
I have to admit the idea of getting in a vehicle and mowing over dozens of zombies is devilishly appealing. 8)
Theres an excellent gameplay walkthrough over on gametrailers i advise anyone interested in this game cheack it out
Quote from: ASYLUM NINJA on May 23, 2011, 06:41:54 PM
Theres an excellent gameplay walkthrough over on gametrailers i advise anyone interested in this game cheack it out
Different than the one Zero posted above?
Dunno didnt see that post am using a mobile and cant view it but quite possibly if its dealing with a mission involving a lighthouse then yes
It's one in the same, Gametrailers has just the one walktrhough. Some cell phones and Flash... :-\
Tell me about it, my crappy non flash playin phone
Funny thing, it seems anything you've posted after that has retained the "RE: Dead Island" on the main board...looks like a bad case of the Mundays... ;)
Ah crap! Im outta here laters
Game looks good :)
Achievements (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dead-island/achievements/)
OXM Preview (http://www.oxm.co.uk/31956/previews/dead-island/)
Dead Island goes gold + new trailer.
Still not sure about this. The trailers (especially the first one) caught my interest but the gameplay is not that impressive. Any news of a demo?
I know there was a timed demo being used by magazines and gaming sites and stuff, maybe we'll get that.
Get those RPG damage numbers and XP indicators off of the damn screen. This is a scary zombie armageddon game, not Borderlands with baseball bats.
MORE NUMBERS!
The trailer was awesome but I don't think the game is going to be as good as I originally imagined
I've seriously lost interest in this. Just seems 'Meh'. Might put it on my Lovefilm rental list once I've got some better games finished.
Dead Island Comic Now Available Digitally
Deep Silver has today released a six-page comic book, which tells the story leading up to the events you'll play through in Dead Island when it launches in a few weeks time.
The Dead Island comic book introduces a new character called Robert Howard, a journalist who's travelled to the island paradise of Banoi to investigate illegal exploitation of the island's resources. Upon his exploration of Banoi's Royal Palms Resort hotel, Howard discovers a terrible secret.
Dead Island's prequel comic book story was penned by the creative team at Marvel Custom Solutions, which consists of writer William Dailey and artists Jorge Lucas, Juan Santacruz, Diego Olmos, Carlos Rodriguez and Sergio Arino. The Dead Island comic also features some screaming zombie cleavage on the cover (pictured) by Christian Nauck.
You can flick through the Dead Island digital comic book now over at marvel.com/digitalcomics (https://subscriptions.marvel.com/digitalcomics/view_white.htm?iid=22757). Dead Island is out on September 6th in North America and September 9th in Europe.
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I'm liking the game so far. Its definitely a combination of Left 4 Dead, Borderlands, and Oblivion.
Quote from: Mojo Red on September 09, 2011, 02:18:58 AM
I'm liking the game so far. Its definitely a combination of Left 4 Dead, Borderlands, and Oblivion.
ya i like it too. I think you can turn off the damage indicators though so the numbers go away.
It's no boarderlands but it's fun geting annoyed that I'm haveing such a hard time joining other peoples games it says you can join and game at your progreson level or lower but my damn join button (A) is always grayed out any one else having this problem and also haveing this problem when someone sends me a invite
Quote from: Hells_JJ on September 09, 2011, 06:03:09 AM
It's no boarderlands but it's fun geting annoyed that I'm haveing such a hard time joining other peoples games it says you can join and game at your progreson level or lower but my damn join button (A) is always grayed out any one else having this problem and also haveing this problem when someone sends me a invite
Yeah, I'm having the same issue. Makes knocking out some of these co-op achievements a bit tough. Hopefully they'll fix this soon.
I"m having a problem where people keep joining my games lol. I'd rather not have some random douche bag join my game. It always seems to happen when i'm paused too lol.
P.S. i am addicted to this game for some reason.
Lesson for Dead Island developers: Allow players to mute other players.
I just got done playing with a guy who was evidently multitasking by playing while watching a porno at the same time. At first I couldn't tell what it was... Between the moments of all the loud zombie killing action I would hear strange, non-zombie-killing-related noises and I was wondering what the crap that was. I thought maybe he was talking to his wife or something, because I could hear a female voice in there. Turns out that the reason why I couldn't understand what the chick was saying was because she wasn't so much saying things as she was moaning things.
I tried to wait it out, but it was like the longest porn ever. Eventually I had to leave because I couldn't hear the cutscene dialogue over all the sexing.
Sorry, Shakes. I'll mute my mic next time.
I swear to God that I thought they were eating icecream at first, and really, really enjoying it.
A half hour later; I'm wondering just how much friggin icecream they have, and why hearing them eat it is turning me on so much. At that point it dawned on me.
lulz, strange tales from LIVE..... what next nude dudes on Uno?
Quote from: Failed on October 04, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
lulz, strange tales from LIVE..... what next nude dudes on Uno?
Surprisingly enough, this happened on Steam and not on Live. If it was an open microphone on Live I would have been hearing incessant rap music whilst having racial slurs hurled at me.
We PC gamers are delightfully snobbish.
I just beat this game. It clocked in at 16 hours, and I wouldn't mind seconds. It started to get a little sloppy and draggy towards the end (way too many tedious escort missions in Act 3), but it felt pretty tight otherwise.
I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised by this one.
everytime someone mentions ''escort mission' i go further and further away from wanting to play this.
I wouldn't mind "escort missions" in Hung: The Game. O0
Quote from: Failed on October 11, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
everytime someone mentions ''escort mission' i go further and further away from wanting to play this.
They're escort missions but not like Dead Rising escort missions, they generally can help themselves and are no where near as annoying as Dead Rising or some other games escort missions where the person you're escorting is like a freaking child.
Quote from: MacheteMable on October 11, 2011, 06:33:52 PM
Quote from: Failed on October 11, 2011, 03:34:29 PM
everytime someone mentions ''escort mission' i go further and further away from wanting to play this.
They're escort missions but not like Dead Rising escort missions, they generally can help themselves and are no where near as annoying as Dead Rising or some other games escort missions where the person you're escorting is like a freaking child.
True, but what bothered me about the escort missions in Dead Island is that they are so damn long. Towards the end of the game you spend a solid half hour traipsing through the jungle protecting some dude with a grass skirt and a bone through his nose, then when you get him to his destination you IMMEDIATELY turn around and hold some random chick's hand all the way back. And I mean immediately, as in you get to the destination, there is a cut scene that makes absolutely no sense, and you turn around and come back with random lady in tow.
Better still, just when you think you are done escorting the random lady this other random Jamaican dude, who you earlier told to stay on the boat, decides to get off of the boat and you have to save and escort HIM as well.
Was it a small part of the game? Yes, but I still found it annoying.
Got this today for £20 in GAME and after 2 minutes of gameplay feel totally ripped off. Took an instant dislike to it, can't believe what a steaming pile of shite it is. I'm gonna give up buying games soon if this is what gets churned out, should have just saved the money :(
Edit: BTW, the reason I took an instant dislike to it was because it reminded me straight away of Bioshock, which I really didn't like!
whhaaatttttt??!?? i've heard nothing but good things!
Quote from: Failed on October 19, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
whhaaatttttt??!?? i've heard nothing but good things!
Sorry Failed, I don't think it's helped that as soon as I started the game 2 people jumped in to my game and did the first mission while I was still trying to figure out what to do. Doesn't seem to be anyway of turning the co-op option off (unless I log out of LIVE I suppose)
surely you can change your settings to Private. who knows, i think you should have a look and stick with it. It'll probably grow on you.
oh and £20 for it is a bargain
I can't believe JT doesn't like BioShock?!? :o
I couldn't see anything when I looked, dunno whether it's even worth me putting it back in the disc tray, I've already decided I don't like it, too much like Bioshock :(
lulz! i'll swap you for Hannah Montana
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 19, 2011, 08:04:11 PM
I can't believe JT doesn't like BioShock?!? :o
I absolutely hated Bioshock, I only completed it because I was laid up with a twisted ankle and had nothing better to do! I just really don't like 1st person games, they just feel wrong to me, the only 1st person game I can honestly say I enjoy is Bad Company 2, I like to see my character, I don't want to pretend to be him/her!
Quote from: Failed on October 19, 2011, 08:05:53 PM
lulz! i'll swap you for Hannah Montana
Erm, I'm hoping I can get most of my money back if I take it to somewhere other than GAME, it's still £40 everywhere else.
good idea, pick up Ace Combat 7 instead, that looks awesome!
Does it, or is that a note of sarcasm I detect? ;)
Hell no i love Ace Combat and 7 looks absolutely amazing, ima give the demo a whirl tonight as i DL'd it earlier!! I can't really get it until Jan/Feb, but it's definately on my 'to play' list!
I should finish 6 first though which i've had for 3 years. The game doesn't deserve me :P
OK, thanks :)
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 19, 2011, 07:54:09 PM
Got this today for £20 in GAME and after 2 minutes of gameplay feel totally ripped off. Took an instant dislike to it, can't believe what a steaming pile of shite it is. I'm gonna give up buying games soon if this is what gets churned out, should have just saved the money :(
Edit: BTW, the reason I took an instant dislike to it was because it reminded me straight away of Bioshock, which I really didn't like!
A mate of mine rented this & promptly told me to remove it from my rental list citing all manner of problems, it's still there! :)
Yeah if you don't like first person games or loot rpgs then Dead Island probably isn't the game for you.
I tend not to like loot rpgs, but I am a simple enough man to just be able to enjoy dismembering zombies for hours on end, so Dead Island worked for me.
I like Loot RPG's, seems the only reason i'm still playing Oblivion atm.... skipping all story and conversations and concentrating on finding nice items.
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
I like Loot RPG's, seems the only reason i'm still playing Oblivion atm.... skipping all story and conversations and concentrating on finding nice items.
There's some tomb somewhere where you fight some crazy undead Amazon warrior which gives you the most powerful sword in the game (I think). Once I levelled up enough to take her out it was the first thing I did.
I played most of the game stealth with a bow. But in those moments where stealth wasn't going to save my ass, I pulled out Ye Ole' Stab-a-lot and got sh*t done.
Dead Island sold at Asda for £20, so didn't lose anything thank god... and now I have money for beer :)
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 20, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
I like Loot RPG's, seems the only reason i'm still playing Oblivion atm.... skipping all story and conversations and concentrating on finding nice items.
There's some tomb somewhere where you fight some crazy undead Amazon warrior which gives you the most powerful sword in the game (I think). Once I levelled up enough to take her out it was the first thing I did.
I played most of the game stealth with a bow. But in those moments where stealth wasn't going to save my ass, I pulled out Ye Ole' Stab-a-lot and got sh*t done.
The Umbra Sword (thanks google), cheers neato, i will look into this!
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 20, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
I like Loot RPG's, seems the only reason i'm still playing Oblivion atm.... skipping all story and conversations and concentrating on finding nice items.
There's some tomb somewhere where you fight some crazy undead Amazon warrior which gives you the most powerful sword in the game (I think). Once I levelled up enough to take her out it was the first thing I did.
I played most of the game stealth with a bow. But in those moments where stealth wasn't going to save my ass, I pulled out Ye Ole' Stab-a-lot and got sh*t done.
The Umbra Sword (thanks google), cheers neato, i will look into this!
is that the one that collects souls when you kill people?
Quote from: Lukehi on October 20, 2011, 10:02:41 PM
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 20, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Failed on October 20, 2011, 10:16:11 AM
I like Loot RPG's, seems the only reason i'm still playing Oblivion atm.... skipping all story and conversations and concentrating on finding nice items.
There's some tomb somewhere where you fight some crazy undead Amazon warrior which gives you the most powerful sword in the game (I think). Once I levelled up enough to take her out it was the first thing I did.
I played most of the game stealth with a bow. But in those moments where stealth wasn't going to save my ass, I pulled out Ye Ole' Stab-a-lot and got sh*t done.
The Umbra Sword (thanks google), cheers neato, i will look into this!
is that the one that collects souls when you kill people?
This all sounds familiar. It's been a couple years so it's a little foggy. Maybe we should take this discussion to the Oblivion topic? lol
hell no, lets drive this further off topic. Ace Combat 7 is A-mazing by the by!
Speaking of Ace Combat ...
I heard Gears went gold!
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 19, 2011, 08:08:11 PM
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 19, 2011, 08:04:11 PM
I can't believe JT doesn't like BioShock?!? :o
I absolutely hated Bioshock, I only completed it because I was laid up with a twisted ankle and had nothing better to do! I just really don't like 1st person games, they just feel wrong to me, the only 1st person game I can honestly say I enjoy is Bad Company 2, I like to see my character, I don't want to pretend to be him/her!
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I didn't really like Bioshock either. I thought it was pretentious poop. Bioshock's only saving grace was that the broken upgrade system allowed me to complete the game using the wrench almost exclusively (I had to take out the old crossbow for the final boss).
What's that, a fire splicer? Ooooh, scary. COME GET SOME WRENCH, SUCKA!
LOL, I found it so repetitive, same 5 or 6 enemies and back and forth over the same bit of the map over an over again, was just really boring!
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 21, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
LOL, I found it so repetitive, same 5 or 6 enemies and back and forth over the same bit of the map over an over again, was just really boring!
Not trying to pit one game against another here, because I'm a believer most games have some kind of redeming quality, but BC2/CoD/etc. (or more popular FPS) have no memorable enemies to speak of (surprisingly killing generic armed forces hasn't gotten old enough to sink these franchises) and most set pieces look exactly the same (there's a jungle scene, a destroyed urban environment, your helicopter scene, rinse, repeat, etc..). It's a trapping for most the gaming industry, unfortunately.
Narrative, setting, and atmosphere kept Bioshock interesting to me, some gameplay elements weren't probably the best in the world, but hate's a strong word I only reserve for the likes of most film based games. I'm looking at you Terminator: Salvation and Ironman. >:(
i liked Terminator Salvation. I dislike Oblivion, Fallout, RDR and Fable.... hates a strong word though.
I hate Fuzion Frenzy 2.
Lesson of the thread: Hate's a strong word, and relative apparently.
BTW - nice 25G sig Failed - ;)
what was this thread about again... :-\
I stand by what I said. I hated Bisohock! I also hate Jonathan Ross, parsnips, soap operas and Tennis! >:(
Well I LOVE Bioshock :-* so it's good to know I'll love Dead Island as well 8)
Oops, forgot to add... I really, really, really hate Louis Walsh!!! >:( >:( >:(
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 22, 2011, 07:04:10 PM
Oops, forgot to add... I really, really, really hate Louis Walsh!!! >:( >:( >:(
Is he in Dead Island??
I wish he was, as a zombie of course, then I may have enjoyed the game more by pumelling his f***ing head in!
lol this needs a new thread! lets talk generic, Fantasy based rpgs!........ but..........
Question.
What was the last truly innovative game?
and no it's not portal for obvious reasons! well unless you can argue/debate me otherwise!!!
Quote from: Windedprism on October 23, 2011, 12:43:30 AM
What was the last truly innovative game?
and no it's not portal for obvious reasons! well unless you can argue/debate me otherwise!!!
I haven't played Portal 2, but why not Portal 1?
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 22, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
I stand by what I said. I hated Bisohock! I also hate Jonathan Ross, parsnips, soap operas and Tennis! >:(
Well sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. ;)
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 25, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 22, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
I stand by what I said. I hated Bisohock! I also hate Jonathan Ross, parsnips, soap operas and Tennis! >:(
Well sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. ;)
58 seconds of JT Torture: ;)
[spoiler]
I didn't think the Bioshock / Parsnip video wasn't nearly as torturous, so here you go: :P
[/spoiler]
Quote from: nCogNeato on October 25, 2011, 03:39:24 PM
Quote from: Jaynestown on October 22, 2011, 06:56:30 PM
I stand by what I said. I hated Bisohock! I also hate Jonathan Ross, parsnips, soap operas and Tennis! >:(
Well sir, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. ;)
semper fidelis marine
Updated Achievements (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dead-island/achievements/)
Dead Island reanimated for 'Game of the Year Edition' June 26
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Dead Island: Game of the Year Edition is now official and ready to ruin your summer vacation plans on June 26. First revealed earlier this month by the British Board of Film Classification, the GOTY packs includes the standard game, along with downloadable content "Ryder White," "Bloodbath Arena" and "The Ripper."
The tropical zombie apocalypse RPG, which has sold over three million copies worldwide, will be released on PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and PC for $29.99.
http://www.shopto.net/SEARCH/HTML/
UK £16.99 preorder at shopto
Very much a bargain me thinks :)
Quote from: Windedprism on June 21, 2012, 10:54:35 PM
http://www.shopto.net/SEARCH/HTML/
UK £16.99 preorder at shopto
Very much a bargain me thinks :)
£16.99 (http://www.shopto.net/XBOX%20360/VIDEO%20GAMES/XB2DE41-Dead%20Island%20Game%20of%20the%20Year.html) at Shopto will do for me. :)
I might just pick up the GOTY edition, if only for the fact that I don't already have Ryder White or the Ripper mod. I have been using character builds I found on youtube. They were developed by a dude named TrendKiLLv01 and I've been having fun with them.
I got the GOTY Edition for £14.99, 4 days early from Zavvi, not tried it yet.